tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4891114758163865289.post4267831859760856970..comments2024-03-28T10:11:40.572-04:00Comments on VISUP: The Office of Security: A Tale of Sex, Drugs, and High Weirdness Part VIIIReclusehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13510266038933358020noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4891114758163865289.post-57818408740176186382016-08-06T23:42:01.131-04:002016-08-06T23:42:01.131-04:00AW-
Well, these techniques to work, up to a certa...AW-<br /><br />Well, these techniques to work, up to a certain point, and are certainly more effective than simple physical torture (and are also far more traumatic). But the thing is, get high value intelligence, you have to be able to get high levels targets. And the removal of high level targets in turn much cause a serious blow to the organization in question. <br /><br />Both, however, are much easier said than done. In the case of Phoenix and Iraq, we were able to take plenty of level and even a few middle level resistance leaders, but nothing that impressive. And beyond that, the cell structures most revolutionary organizations use in the modern area prevent and entire network from being taken out if a few cells go down. <br /><br />And you combine that with the radicalization of the populace that were innocent and tortured anyway and you have a ample replacements for the members that were lost. <br /><br />I think it was partly planned to perpetuate the "Clash of Civilizations" as you say, and partly out of blind arrogance. Some elements of the national security apparatus no doubt hoped the endless Arab Springs could be herded into Russia and China to achieve US strategic aims. Instead, their largely heading into Europe and threatening to totally destabilize it before the Clash of Civilizations can even get going in earnest. This is a blunder the Russians and the Chinese will be having a field day exploiting for years to come and some of those efforts may already be baring fruit in Turkey. <br /><br />"The point being, that if the rhetoric is already so bad about the clash of civilizations and Islam vs. the 'Christian' West, how brutal and merciless will a 'Christian West be when they think they're fighting a cosmic war against supernatural evil and its agents? (which will include anyone who questions, disagrees, or refuses to comply, and of course, the Jews).<br /><br />"I know it's not relevant to your current series but since things keep accelerating in that direction, I wanted to mention it. Make of it what you will."<br /><br />Oh, this may be far more relevant to this series than you yet imagine my friend. <br /><br /><br />-Recluse<br />Reclusehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510266038933358020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4891114758163865289.post-67673449923710015032016-08-03T05:14:27.008-04:002016-08-03T05:14:27.008-04:00They surely know (and have known since Phoenix) th...They surely know (and have known since Phoenix) that those 'techniques' don't work well... at least for interrogation for actionable info. So for them to go ahead and export it to Latin America and finally go totally global using the excuse of 9/11 suggests that perhaps <i>interrogation</i> to obtain info isn't actually the point. <br /><br />Though what is, I'm not sure. It seems to be a good part 'counter-terrorism' (in the sense of "we will out-terrorize them"), and of course the corruption of targeting personal enemies (like the South Vietnamese did). Desensitizing a large portion of the US Military to participate was probably another goal. What if they were also looking for individuals susceptible to the "A" treatment and/or hypnosis? It's pure speculation on my part, but I don't think it's a coincidence that less than a decade after this entire global system of rendition and torture were established that the 'Arab Spring' broke out (as part of a larger shift to Hybrid Warfare). And the Arab and Muslim countries are not the only targets.<br /><br />The (very likely) blowback you predict in response to this brutality? I suspect they've planned for that possibility, and will use it as "proof" for the Christian Crusaders that Islam is enemy #1 (even more so than now, and of course, leaving out everything this country did to contribute to their radicalization).<br /><br />- - - -<br /><br />As a very brief, off-topic aside, I'm working back through your series on Bavaria, Thule Society, and the SOSJ... In part X you discussed the traces of Gnosticism from Ariosophy that are also found in Christian Identity, namely the anti-Semitic 'serpent seed' doctrine. I wanted to mention how incredibly prevalent the teaching on 'Nephilim' has become within Christianity, because I strongly suspect it is leading its adherents (in a round-about fashion) to the same place as the Nazi's, Pelley's cosmology, and Christian Identity. At least two of the major proponents of this teaching have serious <b>deep</b> ties to military intelligence/SRI (Chuck Missler and Lambert Dolphin).<br /><br />The point being, that if the rhetoric is already so bad about the clash of civilizations and Islam vs. the 'Christian' West, how brutal and merciless will a 'Christian West be when they think they're fighting a cosmic war against supernatural evil and its agents? (which will include anyone who questions, disagrees, or refuses to comply, and of course, the Jews).<br /><br />I know it's not relevant to your current series but since things keep accelerating in that direction, I wanted to mention it. Make of it what you will.<br /><br />And, as always, thanks for such a refreshing perspective that isn't afraid to question the accepted narrative and is willing to dig beneath the official history to put the pieces together. Such critical thinking and big-picture analysis is increasingly rare.AWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4891114758163865289.post-14867980881198729262016-08-01T12:56:03.416-04:002016-08-01T12:56:03.416-04:00AW-
The long term implications of ARTICHOKE tech...AW-<br /><br /><br />The long term implications of ARTICHOKE techniques being distributed through out the rest of the world via foreign and private intelligence services are disturbing enough, but them being reincorporated into official interrogation techniques during the Bush II regime may lead to even more long term tragedies for the US. <br /><br />Look at Iraq. Abu Ghraib housed closed to 20,000 prisoners during the height of the occupation and several other facilities housed tens of thousands more. While the abuse at other facilities was not quite as extreme as what was done at Abu Ghraib, the interrogation techniques used at these facilities were still in part based upon ARTICHOKE techniques. <br /><br />Cab drivers, shop keepers and a host of other civilians were dragged off the street and subjected to a complex psychological torture on the basis on crushing the occupation. <br /><br />Obviously this failed miserably. Iraq is now a major recruitment center for ISIS. Syria, another nation used for "black sites," is at the center of what may develop into a Third World War.<br /><br />While all of this can't be solely blamed on ARTICHOKE and torture, I suspect such techniques further radicalized nations subjected to them for extended periods of time. We will likely be dealing with the consequences of these actions for years if not decades to come.<br /><br /><br />-RecluseReclusehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510266038933358020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4891114758163865289.post-72670243265028894462016-08-01T04:08:42.045-04:002016-08-01T04:08:42.045-04:00Very interesting (and truly disturbing) connection...Very interesting (and truly disturbing) connections you've uncovered thus far... looking forward to see where you're taking things (I'm guessing there was more to what ARTICHOKE people did to kids than just inducing amnesia). <br /><br />This whole subject is quite revolting and that it is/was not only justified in the name of national security, but exported to become global, surely makes the US far worse than the nazis. And I suspect that we haven't seen another holocaust because these forces aren't (yet) in the position to pull it off.<br /><br />I know there are many evils in this world, but I really, really loathe fascism, and especially the kind that hides under a Christian veneer and rhetoric. <br /><br />Keep up the excellent research and exposes Recluse!AWnoreply@blogger.com