tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4891114758163865289.post8732396510516070482..comments2024-03-18T11:41:58.684-04:00Comments on VISUP: The Soldier of the Apocalpyse -UpdatedReclusehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13510266038933358020noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4891114758163865289.post-33811631088390941432012-08-19T00:06:10.346-04:002012-08-19T00:06:10.346-04:00Thank you for your thoughtful response.
Yes, Dow...Thank you for your thoughtful response. <br /><br />Yes, Downard was a mentor to Grimstad and Hoffman, though I'm not sure if Downard is the one who opened their eyes to twilight language, or if they found Downard after becoming aware of it on their own. As you note, Grimstad's theories are rather unique in their own right while Hoffman's seem like more of an extension of Downard's.<br /><br />Coleman includes more in his concept of twilight language than just onomatology and toponomy, but I suspect he focuses more on those aspects as he as been studying them longer. I feel Coleman gives a more clear definition of twilight language. Hoffman doesn't so much define it as he instructs his readers how to recognize it, if you will. <br /><br />I probably responded to Knowles' take on Alex Jones because they confirm my own suspicions. Jones strikes me as a modernized take on Birch Society types. Many of his theories are merely extensions of conspiracy theories that have been circulating for decades, i.e. UN Peacekeepers being brought into to disarm the American populace. Beyond that, I find his style to be riddled with paranoia and hopelessness. The latter is what really gets me --he invokes a perception that nothing can be done to change the path that we are on. <br /><br />I tend to agree with your point that outing disinformation agents is something of a waste, but on the flip side of the coin there's a lot out there that the 'mega' conspiracy researchers such as Jones or Art Bell rarely, if ever, touch on. Perhaps it is not best to bring their integrity into question, but it should be noted that they cling to many of the same old war horses when there are other, more compelling theories available.<br /><br />In general though, I agree with you about the Secret Sun. Knowles is right to question certain sacred cows of the alternative media, but he doesn't always offer a solid alternative.<br /><br /><br />-Recluse Reclusehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510266038933358020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4891114758163865289.post-13277087284397494292012-08-14T15:13:18.824-04:002012-08-14T15:13:18.824-04:00This was very provocative and insightful. As Micha...This was very provocative and insightful. As Michael Hoffman has elsewhere written, Anyone who takes up arms against the system is serving its (the system's) purposes (paraphrase). I think people would be much better served by studying political philosophy (for example) than by going to the range for target practice.<br /><br />My understanding of the history, however, was that Downard was a mentor to both Michael Hoffman and William Grimstad. Grimstad's "Sirius Rising" interview with Downard dates from the mid-70s before either "Weird America" or "Rebirth of Pan." And Grimstad audibly praises Downard for his (Downard's) originality. However, this is not to say that Grimstad made no novel contributions later himself. Both Grimstad and Hoffman developed Downard's conceptions and, indeed, modified and expanded them in some ways.<br /><br />Furthermore, Coleman's definition of "Twilight Language," while evocative, does not strike me as particularly "precise." In fact, I think he arguably either confuses "Twilight Language" and what Downard termed "Mystical Toponomy" - either that, or Coleman's intentionally running the two concepts together. Perhaps such conflation is justifiable - or even beneficial. But, by my lights, either motivation (and certainly the action) would need to be argued for in order to qualify as an instance of precision.<br /><br />But these are minor points and tangential to your post. I think that there most certainly is something to your identification of the "soldier" meme.<br /><br />But I do also want to gesture towards my sketch of the (rudiments of) a reply to Secret Sun. I think that your praise of his post is unwarranted. His post probably is worthy of qualified praise. But I think the qualifications should be made explicit. Cf.: http://curveofbell.blogspot.com/2012/08/just-few-comments.htmlLiberty Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12583326798091256934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4891114758163865289.post-30896464942712911032012-08-14T14:41:07.679-04:002012-08-14T14:41:07.679-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Liberty Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12583326798091256934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4891114758163865289.post-22738061383815132892012-08-13T16:21:47.533-04:002012-08-13T16:21:47.533-04:00Marty-
Part of why I think the US draws more of t...Marty-<br /><br />Part of why I think the US draws more of these types of events than the rest of the world is simply due to the vast amount of mass communications an average American consumes in a day. While I didn't go into it in this piece, I've noted many of Coleman's theories jive well with some of the concept's Jacques Ellul addresses in his classic work "Propaganda." Ellul described the world that Americans and other developed countries live in as one of 'total propaganda' and that it was causing us to develop views and notions totally alien to us, that were embedded via the media. For this to work, however, an individual must be exposed to a nonstop feed of propaganda.<br /><br />Developed nations, especially the US, are the only nations in a position to create this state. So a simple answer to your question would be: most other nations don't have the mass media in place to brainwash their populaces to the extent the US does. <br /><br />Yes, the constant push to 'redefine' mental health is most troubling. I agree --it seems as if steps are being taken to rebrand anyone with non mainstream views as an extremist suffering from a mental imbalance. The next step will probably be even more widespread drugging of the American populace than what is already happening.<br /><br />Certainly a few more mass killings will only help this cause... <br /><br /><br />-RecluseReclusehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510266038933358020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4891114758163865289.post-81813718165126298782012-08-12T10:16:46.815-04:002012-08-12T10:16:46.815-04:00Great post, I throughly believe in Loren Coleman&#...Great post, I throughly believe in Loren Coleman's theories. However, I don't think that the 'Holmes' character was a subject of the 'copycat effect', nor was he brainwashed to actually carry out those shootings. I have my theories, which I've blogged about. But I do see that all of these incidents do fit in with one another, without all being identical in their nature (if that makes sense?) Everything appears very 'synchromystic' right now and feels like its set to continue. Of course, this is just me voicing my 'feelings' on the issue. Why is all of this mostly happening in the USA?<br />Statistically (as I am always asking) this should happen elsewhere too, where there are large populations, right?<br /><br />It's almost as if the powers-that-be want people to take up arms and 'fight' but then paint them as radical exteremists which need to be arrested, put in mental hospitals, and so on. I recently read how the mental health professionals are re-classifying mental illnesses, and there are avialble online reports of how 'holding radical views against the main stream are an indicator of mental illness'. This to me speaks volumes. Perhaps the plan is to sort of weed out anyone that holds widely differing views than the 'main stream' or people who voice their disapproval of their governments, and then find legitimate ways to eradicate them from society (under the guise of psychos with the potential to kill). Its just a theory I've been mulling over.<br /><br />As a side note, I've started listening to Alex Jones again, just for the laughs really, as he does have some hysterical ways of delivering his message...I can gain enjoyment out of it without needing to subscribe to the viewpoint at all!<br /><br />Marie...https://www.blogger.com/profile/04552643095016293044noreply@blogger.com